(I am a painter. People often ask me 'what kind of painting' I do. So I interviewed myself to find out...)Q: What is your work about?
A: It's difficult to describe. I suppose all my painting is self-referential. On an impersonal level, it’s an exploration into the difficult business of being human.
Q: What medium do you work in?
A: Mostly in oil paint, on canvas. The way I work, I discard far more than I retain, so I need a forgiving sort of medium. Oil paint is very forgiving, and I love its subtleties too, and the different finishes; the delicacy or the roughness of the surface. I use other tools as well as brushes: rags, sharp implements to score the surface, cotton buds, rollers, cardboard, paper etc. The process is embedded in the work, not only in its textures but in the ghostly presence of images which have been painted out and lost. I imagine all the lost figures, particularly, inhabiting a kind of subterranean layer: continuing to affect the painting invisibly but powerfully.
Q: Do you see the elements which you've painted out as mistakes?
A: No. My paintings often go through radical changes, because I don’t plan ahead: I evolve as they evolve. There may be fruitless cul de sacs, and you could call these mistakes, but I see them as unavoidable detours: sometimes the only way to provide the information the painting needs. My intellect may call them wrong turnings and wasted time, but the painting is assembling itself in a way my intellect can’t grasp. This process is very instinctual, it isn’t something to be manipulated - you just have to follow and keep up, and trust the part of you which can see round corners. As much as possible I try to put my thoughts on hold. It’s taking me a lifetime to learn to work in this way - my ego would much rather be in charge, come up with something guaranteed to get me approval. But for me that’s not what painting’s about. Ideally, I’d like to disappear and allow my work to speak for itself.
Q: Yet you said earlier that your work is self-referential. Doesn’t that mean that it's about you, your personal concerns?
A: Well, it is self-referential – but I am using myself, perhaps even dramatising myself, as a kind of Everyperson: a universal human; so my own issues are not really what my work is about. They supply the raw material, but I’m using them in a dispassionate way, turning them into an impersonal narrative. Although it's actually a more unconscious undertaking than this suggests.
Q: Do you work quickly or slowly?
A: I work quite slowly and, because oil paint dries slowly, I always have several paintings on the go at once, and work on them in rotation. When a painting is drying but not finished, I might catch sight of it in passing and make unexpected and usually useful connections. When I come back to that painting I then have some extra information. Working on several paintings in rotation can mean they reflect a shared theme – although this isn't something I impose. I don't set out to paint anything in particular - if I try to, the painting ends up as something entirely different! But if I work in a semi-conscious, non-directional way, certain themes gradually come to the surface.
Q: Can you describe any of these themes?
A: I’m reluctant to be specific about anything current, because putting a painting into words while it's still happening stops it developing. It's like dreaming. You don't want to wake up and interpret the dream before it's finished. However, I can say that recently a bound and dormant figure, clearly in a pupating state, has appeared in a number of paintings. I’m just following this wherever it takes me.
Q: How do you interpret this 'pupating figure'?
A: There are obvious ways of looking at it, but I prefer to leave my interpretation in flux. Anyway, what the figure means to me, the many different things it means to me, won't necessarily be what it means to anyone else. There is no absolute meaning - or if there is, the painting has died. If you're asking what my intentions are in painting a pupating figure, I could connect this figure to what's going on in my own life, but I'm much more interested in the universality of life, especially the large experiences like death and transformation. To explore these enormous things you have to immerse yourself; you have to permit yourself to be lost. And because of that, you can't tidy everything up and stick labels on it, you can't pretend to be in charge, and to have grasped all the implications. Many of my paintings are ambiguous because I don't yet understand what's going on, but it’s exactly that fluid ambiguity which excites me. I try to keep the painting in an unresolved state for as long as possible. The best paintings are never wholly resolved, but leave room for doubt.
Q: You've emphasised that you paint intuitively. How does that work in practice?
A: I think there's a part of me which leads the process, and that part operates outside the frame, as it were - it goes beyond what I consciously know. I have to trust it completely. It's necessary to be on the alert all the time for nudges from this intuitive part of myself. My conscious mind might want to emphasise something in the painting, point it up a bit, because I'm proud of having achieved a certain effect, a bit of painterly cleverness; and then the intuitive part has me paint it out altogether - and it always turns out to be the right thing to do. Sacrificing that element propels the painting towards something I couldn't have anticipated consciously. There can be a lot of resistance in me to ditching something I've spent weeks, even months, painting. But however good an image is, however well realised, if it doesn't resonate with the rest of the painting then it's holding everything back. Painting is a very ruthless process!
Q: Is it important to you that others see your work?
A: I suppose so, though it depends on the person. An intelligent observer will always add something to the work by engaging with it - even if they say nothing at all. If they are painters, hopefully my work will ignite their enthusiasm and inspire their own work. But even if nobody ever saw my paintings, I would still continue to work. I'm driven to do so. And along with age has come this much greater emotional investment. I'm aware that I might have no more than a couple of decades left to paint - if I'm lucky, and can keep on working to the end. But I'm also enjoying it so much more: painting seems as miraculous to me now as it did when I was five years old! It seems amazing that I can make marks, and those marks will persist and outlast me. They may be all I leave behind.
Q: What would you say to yourself, if you were just starting out again?
A: I’d say what several people said to me when I was young – don’t get sidetracked. Choose your medium, and if it’s painting then don’t write, don’t perform, don’t do anything else at all - even if you can. Make painting your only focus and it will have power. But of course I ignored them! I wanted to try everything. Every kind of creativity. I was very prolific, too. Now I use fewer creative outlets, but I work more intensively, and with a wider understanding of what really matters to me.
Q: Where might you be now, if you'd taken their advice and not got sidetracked into different media?
A: I suppose I might have had more years to develop as a painter. But instead I think I developed as a person. It’s always a balancing act - but it gave me a lot of satisfaction at the time, to put my energies into other forms of expression. I've come to regard everything I do as one continuing work, really. My writing and painting, even my photography, are just its different voices.
Q: Would you like to be commercially successful?
A: No, I don't think so. I'm sure the disadvantages would outweigh the advantages: Unless you’re very strong, even obsessed, the pressure of others’ opinions must affect the way you work. Often the most successful artists are those who can negotiate a place for themselves in the world. But they aren’t necessarily the best artists. To be that, you have to retain a kind of innocence; and you need to be someone who responds to a much deeper call than the need for worldly success.
Q: So a painter should be self-reliant, self-directing?
A: To a large extent, I think so, yes. Painting is an alchemical process, and it can’t happen in full view – it needs privacy, enclosure, to develop. It takes so long for a painter to nurture their vision into something with substance. You need solitude and a huge amount of patience. For me, it’s a very precarious process: one which can be capsized easily by the wrong kind of attention.
Q: What would be the wrong kind of attention?
A: Something which feels like intrusion. Someone coming out with an interpretation before I'm ready to see the painting in that way. Someone giving technical advice, which would feel like they're trying to take over. Or if someone says they like one painting more than another: that can be quite damaging. I'm very thin-skinned! Ideally I prefer to have finished a painting before I let anyone else see it. But I do allow a few people, those I really trust, into the studio to see what's going on. It's rare, but it happens!
Q: Finally, how do you think you might be remembered?
A: I suppose as someone very creative, but perhaps too reclusive for her own good! But I'd like my work to be remembered, not me.